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Revelation Series #68: Swiftly, Not Soon
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Hi Deborah P and all. I do thank Martin and all the staff for doing this work of grace. Hang in there. We all are praying for you.
Ron from South Carolina
Greetings Martin, Admin and listeners;
I’ve had several segments to catch up on and I’m still catching up, whew!
I’m thrilled to see a stance against some of the ‘poor taste’ in blogging/comments.
The gospel entrusted to Paul has not been an easy gospel to deliver. Nevertheless, I pray that all who hear/understand continue to benefit from MZ’s efforts. I hope that we all contribute by whatever means each of us have in order to keep this kind of teaching accessible.
Grace, strength and love to MZ, his staff and listeners.
Following Paul as he imitated Christ,
DP
Hear! Hear!
Hear! Hear!
There is but ONE gospel for the Nations and that is Paul’s which he suffered and underwent much tribulation for and which A.E Knoch, Bullinger and lately our friend Martin faithfully proclaim and exposit for our benefit and peace.
Let others who have a different gospel (which is no gospel at all) find their own venues.
Kelly, I agree with your assessment of David. He should get his own forum to espouse his beliefs. And the same should go to Anonymous. Stay off Martin’s website and use your own.
Thanks, Kelly You and Martin are doing a great work. I am enjoying the Revelation Series immensely.
May God bless you both in your endeavors.
Thanks for saying that, Lovell. Glad you’re enjoying the series!
Yes Len I agree!And how about 1Corinthians 4…Contrast, two sides of the same coin,God speaks,Satan speaks,Martin is speaking in good conscience,God and Christ will judge…thank you Martin.
Well,
That foray showed me that whatever Gospel the majority of Christians are taught has one thing in common. It incites to a fight.
I for one, will quote my own scriptures to make other fighters feel comfortable. Romans12:19,”Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, vengeance is mine, I will repay.”
Does this apply to cat fights among unstudied Christians? I would think so. If one would become a defender of their truth they should look to ISIS, Roman Cathoicism, Cavinism and so many other isms to find like mindedness to their stance.
I for one will listen to Martin, study his sources with him,admire his hunger for the truth and, what the heck, enjoy his entertainment!
I have been so blessed through the years and would expect he would be attacked as A.E. Knoch was. Yet he studied, he searched, he prayed and he took it.
My prayers are with you Martin!!!!!
Len Paganelli
Hi David. This is Kelly, Martin’s sister.
I think we have all had enough of this. I am happy to provide open discussion, but this is no longer going to be your forum to dispute the two gospels, etc.
Why you continue to flood your life with Martin’s work when you disagree with everything that he says is beyond me. Please stop trying to persuade this group to follow your doctrines.
I graciously ask you to not post anything here again. Regardless of subject.
Cheers.
Thanks Kelly others have told David about using another mans work to promote his own but with David it probably will not work, I for one am using Gal. 1:8-9 when I see Davids post how ever I have placed it in my own simple words IF AN ANGEL OR MAN OR ANY ONE TRY TO PRESENT YOU A GOSPEL OTHER THAN THE ONE YOU HAVE RECIEVED FROM ME (HE OR SHE IS FULL OF CRAP AND DON’T LISTEN TO THEM) Have a good and God blessed day Kelly!
Thanks, George. Sorry that had to happen.
I am with George, as well. He was referring to “Paul’s Gospel” For the Galatians there could be no other gospel. You are twisting Paul’s words.
Dear Terry,
The truth is that there is “NO OTHER GOSPEL” for anyone.
And I mean “ANYONE?” The epistle to the Galatians was written in 57 A.D. So was both the first and second Corinthians epistles.
What was the gospel of Galatians and Corinthians?
Let Paul tell you in his own words.
“…Now I am making known to you, brethren, the [gospel] evangel which I bring unto you, which also you accepted, in which you stand, through which also you are saved, if you are retaining what I said in bringing the evangel to you, outside and except you believe feignedly.
For I give over to you among the first what also I accepted, [that is the same evangel the Circumcism had received] that Christ died for “OUR” [Israel’s sins.Matthew 1: 21] according to the Scriptures, and that He was entombed, and that He has been roused the third day according to the Scriptures, and He was sen by Cephas, thereupon by the twelve.
Thereupon He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the majority are remaining hitherto, yet some were [put to repose. Thereupon He was seen by James, thereafter all the apostles.
Ye, last of all, even as if a premature birth, He was seen by me…”
Twisting Paul’s words. Are you kidding me? I am quoting them verbatim.
It seems you have believed “FEIGNEDLY.”
David.
Brethren.
You need to watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Urbt2s0-oqw
If you could not find part two, here it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoUVhWtktRo
If you liked that little snippet of truth, in part one and two, this will put the icing on the cake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G-PNsWCC5I
If that Put the icing 9n the cake, this will deliver you from the error of the universalists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FodQ-iPyl5I
And now being delivered this proves it beyond any shadow of doubt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICw25TeCBPc
That’s all folks for the moment!
Is this the same David Buckman from down-under in the land of OZ, Australia, who wrote “The Education Curriculum of the Saints” article?
–Billy
Hi Bill. I haven’t familiarized myself with his writings, but probably so. Mr. Buckman is no longer posting on this site, in case you are awaiting a response from him. Thanks!
I’m with George :o)
Thank You Martin for you continues studies and willing ness to convey what you have learned while at the same time putting up with snarky comments by many who refuse to learn the truth of Paul’s Gospel and the truth we can learn by comparing His Good news to mankind with other scriptures rightly divided and properly translated! God bless you and keep on keeping on!
Dear George.
You said;
“Thank You Martin for you continues studies and willing ness to convey what you have learned.”
Are you kidding us. We have reached number 70 in the Revelation series and he still has not told us anything of substance at all!
You also said;
while at the same time putting up with snarky comments by many who refuse to learn the truth of Paul’s Gospel and the truth.
Which one of Martins “GOSPELS” are you referring to? or which truth? Please tell?
In Galatians Paul warns us that there is only “ONE GOSPEL” and even if a “MESSENGER OF LIGHT COMES UP WITH A SECOND GOSPEL,” He is to be “CURSED.” Gal 1: 6-9.
Then to make sure you understand exactly what he said the first time he repeats it a second time! I know you are sincere George, like the majority of those being deceived, yet there will be a lot of sincere people that will hear those awful words from Christ at His arrival;
“Whence are you?”
“… Now someone said to Him, “Lord, are few being saved?” Now He said to them,
“Be struggling to be entering through the cramped door, for I am saying to you, many will be seeking to enter and will not be strong enough.
From which time the householder should be roused and latch the door, and you should be beginning to stand outside and to be knocking at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ and answering, he will be declaring to you, ‘I am not acquainted with you! Whence are you?’
Then should you be beginning to say, ‘We ate and drank in your sight, and in our squares you teach!’
He also will be declaring: ‘I am saying to you, I am not acquainted with you! Whence are you? Withdraw from me, all workers of injustice!’
“There there will be lamentation and gnashing of teeth, whenever you should be seeing Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, yet you cast outside…” [Luke 13: 23-27.
Learn the parable of the foolish “VIRGINS?” And learn it well!
They were “VIRGINS,” yet their lack of “LIGHT” [their understanding of Paul’s evangel got them locked out. Do not wait until it is too late to find the truth?
It will be the foolish virgins gnashing their teeth to the gums because they followed false teaching and never studied for themselves as Paul commanded them!
Love you.
David.
Sorry David Buckman but if you are truly a man of God you would be proclaiming the Word on your own and not using Martin Zenders work to proclaim your corruption! Paul would not be held accountable to another because he did his own work and did not use anothers to build his work on sorry sir put you are nothing but a leach !
Dear Martin.
Mr E W Bullinger says in his translation;
“..The Revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave Him to show to His servants what things “MUST NEEDS” come to pass with “SPEED” and He signified it sending by His angel to His servant John who testified of [or as to] the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ “WHAT THINGS SOEVER HE SAW” Blessed [or, happy] be he that readeth and they that hear the words of this prophecy and keep in mind the things which stand written therein for “THE SEASON IS NEAR…”
Take note: “MUST NEEDS” come to pass with “SPEED” what things “SOEVER HE SAW” for “THE SEASON IS NEAR.”
That was already two thousand years ago?
John saw the “DISPERSION” of the “WOMAN” [Israel] fleeing through Asia and Europe chased by the Pagan Dragon first then the Papal Dragon as the Woman fled to the appointed place in the Isles of the sea.
The first half [1260 years] of the Woman’s long 2520 years of punishment, during which she wandered as the “DISPERSION” through the Roman “wilderness” was referred to in Daniel 12: 7. The Septuagint Translation clearly shows the real meaning of this Scripture by speaking of the “DISPERSION.”
“…It should be for a time and times and half a time. When the “DISPERSION” is ended “THEY” [the Woman Jacob-Israel] shall know all things…”
This suggests that after the “DISPERSION” is ended, and scattered Israel [the Woman] had come into her “APPOINTED PLACE” spoken by Nathan the prophet, the Woman would then begin to be led out of darkness into the knowledge of the Redeemer and the love of Jesus Christ.
We now know that this took place in A. D. 1517-1546 by means of the continental Reformation led by Martin Luther. It was the impact of this which finally enabled the Woman [Britain, “The UNITED KINGDOM”] to break loose from the Papal shackles, and to establish a firm Protestant Throne [Defender of the faith] in 1588 under Queen Elizabeth 1.
This is the story of the Revelation and the events of history leading up- to theses momentous times and will lead us into the day of the Lord. All the Reformers were all without exception “HISTORICISTS”; that is to say, those who believed that the Book of Revelation [accompanied by the prophecies of Daniel and others] foretold a perfect sequence of the history of Christendom throughout this present evil age from beginning to end; and that it also exposed with paramount certainty the complete failure of both Pagan and Papal Rome to bring in Christ’s kingdom.
Cheers.
David.
Eph. 4:14
Happy new years ya all;
I HOPE this year brings to us much more comfort then this previous year brought to me. Met up with a friend, Ya; I had one or two, but only those who the Lord brought me to. My friend is on the same page as me, Father brought us both now under the same man for confirmations, even though we were not together and were both set apart from each other, we were led to the same ministry, as we both, when we met up, spoke of the same things; interesting indeed.
Ya; God is in control!!!
I thank-you David Buckman and Happy New years to you and your wife; because I can see what you write is so true, sweat to my taste indeed; how the foreshadow had to be walked out for God to establish His Laws and Ways in Jesus as the fulfillment of the Laws and the Prophets. To know Jesus is to know Israel and their walk out, because only unto 2 to 3 witnesses is every word of God confirmed, even established in us who believe, as the Word becomes flesh, even as all was established in Jesus as the Ways of God that change not.
Yet when ones see that Paul brought in a different gospel, then are they mislead. How so? because God in Christ was established in Jesus, and if you see Paul as different then those who came under the Lordship of Jesus, you remain blind and can not see the truth. For through strong delusion you truly believe yourself to be not of the Christ that Paul followed unto know. “Christ is not divided”, but that is all you accuse Paul of doing. To know Christ is to know Israel’s walk out that He became!!! Everything was a precursor for Jesus to become all that He became for us to now also partake of Him in His blessings.
In Christ all had to be, even walked out by Israel, for Jesus to become that Son that was well pleasing to God, to only now establish us in the same as we continue onto Know Him. We are grafted into Him to partake of His life! Jesus Christ is that Tree of Life, The light of the world, there is no darkness in Him, for apart from The Christ we remain in the dark even in death(Adam), as there is no light or life in him. “Only In Christ Jesus is there light and life”.
Jesus came not to do away with anything but to establish a people in Him, as we become One with Him, to live our new lives out through Him, YES; even as Paul testifies to,” To LIVE IS CHRIST”!!! But to see Paul in a different light, is to see him through a darkened lens as to keep a one in the dark, In Adam! For when Christ comes, then also the light comes, and only then can we see as we ought to see as the darkness flees, and then can we know as we are then to be known.
Those who say they are not deceived, are deceived!
Even if I too remained in darkness, I would be deceived, for apart from Christ Jesus, we all remain in death(Adam), in the Dark. Only when Jesus manifests Himself to us, can we see and know Him, even as we become ONE with Him in His life. Only then can we be known because of Him, we become His testimony. Jesus is the Truth and there is no lie in Him. We all remain in the dark until the light comes!!! Man in his carnality can not see, he lives in death, there is no light, only shadows until The Christ comes to shine the light(His Life) in us.
What does it mean NOT to be deceived?
To have the light turn on so we can see and know Him. Only In Christ do we truly see, otherwise we remain in the dark, lurking in the shadows. The carnal mind is dark, and will remain dark even in the death of Adam until Christ Jesus comes to live within us. That is why we need revelation (To Know Him); because the carnal mind wants to perceive through what it can in ITSELF identify with, this only brings a person into much puffed up head knowledge through information verses revelation.
But in Christ that carnal wayward mind is exposed for what it is, then we can truly see how we were deceived and in the dark. So then when the light comes, that darkness will flee and we can truly see as we ought to see, even as we behold our Lord before us to be. Then we can know as we ought to know, only because we become One with Him as He unfolds His life from within. For only then do we speak what we have seen through the Christ in us, to also then become established in the truth. For only then can we become also Faithful and True witnesses of Christ as we minister HIM!!!
Paul was given his sight back to him on the 3rd day, so he could see, as well as with John, he was given sight to see, revealing the Christ to us so we too can see, for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see.
This is what David Buckman is given testimony of, but only if you have Christ in you, can you understand and know the truth, because Jesus is the Christ and there is no lie in Him. Therefore; only when we become One with Jesus Christ in the Same Spirit of Son-ship that He is with His Father, can we speak the same things, as we become His testimony in this world.
Only then we can know what foreshadowed Him in His making. He was Made a Son, as are we who become One with Him, therefore are we given privy to know HIM, even as we are to be known. Then do we see what was walked out before Him. All give testimony to Jesus Christ that is now become also our life, for those who have become One with the Son!!!
Paul only wanted to know JESUS CHRIST and Him Crucified.
Israel’s walk out was a precursor for the Making of God’s Son, even the Word become flesh to live among us that needed to be to establish In Jesus unto 2 to 3 witnesses. We are to know Jesus, and once we do, then do we know ourselves unto our new Christ lives even as it was with Paul.
Only through The death of Jesus Christ do we have His life for those planted with Him in His death, but only as we follow onto know Him are we then raised with Him!!! Then are we truly hated for what we preach!!! Only because we Preach Him(Jesus Christ).
Thank-you Father, for you are so good to those who have become nothing, so you could become all things in and through us; In Jesus Name Alexandria: TO LIVE IS CHRIST!!!
Hey bro
I wouldn’t have ever been able to see this ( Swiftly)
Difference with this NKJV Dad’s working out of my system via Readjusting .lol.
John 8vs4 reads-and the other disciple (outran)Peter and came to the tomb first.
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