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Revelation Series #58: I Know the Secret of the Lampstands
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David
Your dialog is that of a popinjay; Hence, your isolated aggression on “Universalists.” (why just that ‘ist’ and not all the ‘isms’ too?).
Out of respect for MZ and his objective for supplying a comment/reply page, this is clearly not the place for you to give your teaching/correction concerning the faith/fate of those who choose to listen to this series. Neither is it a place for rebuttal; however, I would be delighted to have your email and or blog forum where detail can be afforded.
Imitating Paul as he imitated Christ,
Deborah
Deborah.
“…And He said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature…”
Why not confirm with scripture or deny it with scripture that every creature in Mark 16: 15 is in fact every dwelling place where the Israelites [kosmos] Society were dwelling in the oikumene = the Mediterranean Region at that time.
He also said in Matthew 10: 23;
“…When they persecute you in”ONE TOWN FLEE TO THE NEXT”, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through “ALL THE TOWNS OF ISRAEL” before the Son of Man comes…”
If He was referring to Judea they would have gone across them in a month?
You can reach me on dwbuckman@icloud.com and I would be happy to answer any Scriptural queries you may have.
Cheers.
David.
Amazing scholarship!
This series, thus far, has been the most profound exegesis of Revelation(the unveiling).
It’s so thrilling to finally hear an interpretation that allows God to be God and His son to be the Christ, “the Savior of ALL man-kind.”
The problem with ‘mainstream’ exegesis is simply tied to the irony of man’s soul. He continues to define and hence re-create his/her ‘god’ according to his/her identity. The soul of man(apart from “putting on Christ”) can’t fathom/comprehend the plan, will and purpose of a sovereign God. The irony is that humanity wants to define the means to (his end) the end, but (A), he doesn’t know where he’s going, let alone how to create the days to get there, and even if ‘there’ is understood, where is it and what steps should be taken to arrive? ALL of man-kind is under subjection; hence, he/she can’t control the day of their birth anymore than the end of their days; therefore, religions, doctrines and philosophies fail to explain the path of God for the sake of the ALL in subjection. It takes an immense dedication and years of study to accurately define our position in our numbered days. Religions, doctrines and philosophies will always fail to describe and implement what God, “who loved the world so much” has entrusted to His beloved Son to rescue ALL of HIS creation. In conclusion, ALL would be wise to review the gross imprint of each one’s doctrine/theology. ALL would be wise to be a student of the great negative influence that religions/doctrines have played in history, as well as to date; so much so, that the very light of TRUTH can’t impress on the alienated soul. The irony…TRUTH when presented is viewed as distortion. Paul encountered the same problem because he taught the same humanity that MZ is teaching. Even his bff’s left his side for “another gospel.”
Yep, “nothing new under the sun.” My advice, keep it simple and “have a PATTERN of sound words.” 2Tim. 1:13
Thank you MZ for the consistent pattern of sound words, and thank you for using the bible to interpret the bible. You’re scholarly indeed. May you continue in strength to swim against the tide of arrogant religious non-belief. Even Jesus stayed away from the synagogues because of the stench of piety and unbelief in HIM being the “bread of life.” Yep…”nothing new under the sun.”
Very well put Deborah.
Deborah.
You said;
” Religions, doctrines and philosophies will always fail to describe and implement what God, “who loved the world so much” has entrusted to His beloved Son to rescue ALL of HIS creation”
The Greek word is not “world” it is kosmos = “Society” and the “creation” is the Greek word Ktistes = city or dwelling place which brings us to the other Greek word for “world.”
oikumene = the habitable or civilised earth of the “Mediterranean Region” where the children of Israel were dispersed at that time. See James 1: 1 and 1 Peter 1: 1. Revelation 1: 4.
It is a significant confirmation of Romans 1: 20, 21, that in all non-Christian Greek literature these words [KTISIS, KTISMA, KTISTES] are never used by the Greeks to convey the idea of a Creator or a creative act by any of their gods. The words are confined by them to the acts of human beings. See Vine’s page 255 Vines Expository Dictionary.
In other words it refers to all the “dwelling places,” cities etc. built by humans where the Society of Israelite’s were dwelling at that time and not every “creature.” See Matthew 15: 24.
In Romans 10: 18 we are told the word of God went into all the earth and unto the ends of the world. When we remember that both parts of Israel were scattered among the nations this is easily understood. We might say that the “KOSMOS” [Society] of Israel was scattered throughout the “OIKUMENE.”
Once we understand this, we can correct verses which the “UNIVERSALISTS” use such as 1 John 2: 2: “And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but for [that is the sins of] “THE WHOLE WORLD.” Here the word for “WORLD” is holos, not “OIKUMENE.”
The “whole” is holos which means every bit and whit of the “KOSMOS” Society it refers to. The context shows John is saying that the “PROPITIATION” applies to all twelve tribes of Israel. See also Romans 11: 25, 26.
It also helps with Matthew 24: 14 where Jesus speaks about the gospel being preached [proclaimed] in all the world. Here we find “OIKUMENE” for “world” not “KOSMOS.” The expression “IN THE WORLD” is not “TO THE WORLD.” Here Jesus was addressing Israelite disciples about the gospel “good news” being a witness to all the Israel nations who were dispersed in the “OIKUMENE” at that time.
But of course the “unlearned” and “unstable” not wanting to put in the effort to study this out prefer to have their ears tickled with what they want to hear and not what the word of God is saying.
Well, if you want to self destruct as Peter said in 2 Peter 3: 16 just keep on believing what you are being taught and you will “REAP” the seeds of destruction you are “SOWING.”
I prefer to pray for Martin’s recovery.
David.
Correction of “holos” to “kosmos.”
Once we understand this, we can correct verses which the “UNIVERSALISTS” use such as 1 John 2: 2: “And He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but for [that is the sins of] “THE WHOLE WORLD.” Here the word for “WORLD” is”KOSMOS”, not “OIKUMENE.”
I put “holos'”by mistake.
Sorry.
David.
Great perception, Kathy. Let’s keep our eyes on the message and not on the messenger.
As always, a great teaching Martin. I have been enjoying this series.
To some of those who listen to Martin, and have been commenting here, rather than focus on his appearance or pretend you are his therapist, it would probably be best to simply comment on his message. We don’t know if he got up in the middle of the night inspired to do a teaching. Or if he is planning a trip so he’s cramming several into one day or night’s time and appears hurried. Frankly, I think it’s all very typical Martin Zender. It’s when we assume things though, and let our assumptions leave our brain and come our mouth or through our fingertips onto a screen, that we really do a disservice to Martin and to others. Just my two cents.
What is the worse thing that can happen to Martin? Someday he will be snatched away to GLORY. We sit in the stands. He is in the collisium. If the enemy stabs him, and attempts to destroys him, should that be surprising? No not really. Yet, we will have to get account for being in the stands. Not him!
Terry Clemens.
Have you ever read Revelations 22: 18, 19?
You said;
“What is the worse thing that can happen to Martin?”
Let Jesus Christ tell you?
“…warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll…”
All translations say the same.
Yet He in this stressful manic condition is about to quote the well known author’s “UNVEILING” which mutilates the entire Revelation of God’s clear statements on the Roman, Pagan and Papal Empires from 30 A.D to 2014 and onward to ??????????
When Jesus passed the contents of the scroll unto John He told him plainly that it was a story of the things “WHICH MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS.” It was a pre-written history telling the events from that time [A.D. 96] onwards, concerning in particular the Church of Christ, and also concerning God’s chosen national seed of Israel which was dispersed and scattered at that time [John 7: 35] but destined to be Redeemed and eventually restored nationally under a new covenant [Hebrews 8: 8-12, etc].
Peter had a comment for you in 2 Peter 3: 16. I would read it very carefully if I were you!
David.
Winnie – thank you!! Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Martin – As you know so well, truly we are not wrestling with flesh and blood. Don’t sweat the inane babblings from Satan’s unwitting dupes.
Brenda and Winnie.
It is better for fools like the two of “YOU” to look like fools than to open “YOUR” mouths and remove all doubt!
Only the stupid “UNLEARNED” and “UNSTABLE” that Peter prophesied about in 2 Peter 3: 16 could have watched the recent episodes and not see there is a serious problem looming.
Paul wrote about the two of you also;
“… For the era will be when [Winnie and Brenda] they will not tolerate sound teaching, but, their hearing being “TICKLED”, they will heap up for themselves teachers in accord with their own desires, and, indeed, they will be turning their hearing away from the truth, yet will be turned aside to [Martin’s manic] myths….”
You are no help at all just a hindrance to good advise to bring about his restoration and eventual healing before something more serious may overtake the current situation and then its too late!
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David.
Thank-you David; I agree with your reply, I have been locked out from my reply to Martin’s fan club. I don’t know if Kelly will allow this to go through to you.
But I would like all to know that these 3 yrs. with Martin listening to him at least 3 to 6 times a day, caused a great growth in me, Thank-you Martin in Jesus Name Alexandria.
I can see my time is up here as I am not welcome anymore.
Thank-you all in Jesus name.
I think Alexandria & David are the problem. They mention things that I grew away from many years ago. They are children still searching, thinking they know truth. JMO They are obviously a “team”. Are they more concerned about appearance or the message? Because the message is spot on. I think Martin is feeling pressure. Shocking! Martin, chill. There are those of us that get it. You are talking to believers. Don’t pay attention to the comments of those that aren’t. For those that don’t know better, start your own damn site. There I fixed it. People that stay where they are not invited nor welcome? Well, it happens everyday. What ever. It’s not my job to teach those that haven’t yet learned nor been exposed to truth. It’s not Martin’s job either.
I just have to say, the one good thing about reading some of the complicated
explanations of some of the others here is that it makes the simplicity of Martins message
really stand out.
As humans we always think it can’t be that simple.
But it is and even a child would understand these plain statements.
“God’s greatest truths are cloaked in simplicity.”
Thank you Martin.
Ya, well, we may have said the same thing about Jeriamiah the prophet.
Martin you look awesome, wink,wink. I love how you get the religious to expose themselves by trying to fix you. Keep up the good work buddy.
Martin, you’re knocking the cover off the ball each episode. I just want to let you know that your show is a blessing to me and you are too buddy! Keep up the great work, give me shout sometime.
Later,
Phillip
How do you know “they also wonderfully reflect the subsequent seven-fold development of Church history from John’s time right up to the Second Advent of the Lord Jesus Christ.”?
Terry Clemens; You wrote:
How do you know “they also wonderfully reflect the subsequent seven-fold development of Church history from John’s time right up to the Second Advent of the Lord Jesus Christ.”?
I was again just shown this as I woke up;
I could see and know that Jesus “who was”, in accordance to the law overcame all those churches that the enemy would come in and cause division; Only because Jesus was without sin could He then walk out in those Seven Churches in and by His Seven Spirits to overcome all that came against those churches as His very own walk out first. Only then to become an overcomer, as He then became the message of each of the Seven Churches as a True and Faithful Witness, The Alpha and Omega. Rev 1:8. The Beginning and the End.
He became the WAY!!!
Jesus is “He who Is”(ever present), “and was” (according to the laws) and “is to come”(to fulfill prophecy); When Jesus “is come” to His own in and by His Spirit, then this journey begins as we who are born from above then can also become One with Him, even as Jesus is with His Father, through the very same journey that Jesus took , then this also becomes our Testimony.
Jesus is a three fold revelation, in accordance to who He is as The Word of God manifested flesh; even for the manifestation of the Son of God as the fulfillment of the laws and prophets. *****Everything is “of a truth” until we have the whole counsel of God,***** For then we can see clearly as we ought to see, even as we can know as we ought to know.
Only when we too have overcome in Him, is then the prophecies also complete within us. Therefore; we can know only as Jesus is unveiled within us. The Christ that Jesus walked out unto the seven Spirits of God, is then also to become our very own Testimony. Only then can we identify with Him in His sufferings to then also be glorified with Him, therefore do we speak the same things, Christ is not divided!!!
Rev 1:8 Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, nothing can be ministered apart from Jesus becoming the message of Thee Overcomer, now for the overcome as (the Word becomes flesh) also within us, for then the overcomer who overcomes in Him can also become the same Testimony as Him, “The Testimony of Jesus Christ” Rev 19:10
Then at His second coming, one part done away with. “He who is to come”, even as Martin testified to. But we who have been prepared in and by His Spirit from within, are then worthy to stand before the Son of man at His coming, because we have been made worthy by also overcoming as we have also endured to the end. Our rewards are stored up in heaven, but not before evidence was given to us, that we can know what we have as our rewards.
Jesus Words are Spirit and Life to those who have been planted in His death, to also be unto His Life!!! We too can know as He knows, because we become the same Testimony as He is unto His life manifested in our very own flesh from within. Only then are we able to enter into His rest, because there is no division in Christ, we truly do become ONE with Him, now just waiting for the redemption of our flesh.
Once we follow onto know Jesus in and by His Spirit from within through these Churches as an overcomer, we too then become One with Him, as this is how Christ is Formed in us. Paul said follow me as I am of Christ, his goal was to have Christ Formed in us, as we went onto maturity; even as is written. Christ in us the Hope of Glory, all other attempts to be exalted is as a thief trying to come up some other way.
See; then we too can identify with Jesus and Paul through the same walkout, as Jesus is ever present to walk with those given to Him, to also then walk through these Seven Churches even now through His overcoming Spirit from within. We also come up against the same spiritual forces that He had to.
Man is just a vehicle of these same Spirits that came against those of that day. These same Spirits are still at work in the children of disobedience, coming up against God’s own. This is how we are exercised in our Faith; even as it was with Jesus, Peter and Paul. That is why we have these opposing Spirits through man coming at us, so we too can grow in Christ as we follow onto know the Lord in and by His Spirit from within.
At the beginning of each church message Jesus says who He is to that church. Look at the church of Sardis, Rev: 3:1 He who is the least of these my brethren will become the greatest, therefore; Sardis is the least of His brethren that receives the greatest fold of glory to resurrect her, the Seven Spirit’s of God. Who is Jesus in a couple of the churches as rewards are given to those who overcome, even as Jesus has overcome.
He has been broken to shivers by His Father, so too are we, to become as He, we become His Testimony!!! How can this be, if it is not our own walkout now to also become One with Him in His Life from above? Rev 3:21 Jesus is now come to His own!!!
Jesus had to walk the walk before He could talk the talk(become the message); even where the messenger and message became one.
*****This is a Faithful and True witness, all others bear false witness of Him, because they can not know Him!!!***** Only those that have become One with Him in His own Life can bear witness to Him!!!*****
And this is our walk we have been given this day, and each and every age there is a release of the Lord’s Spirit in movements, as our forefathers spearheaded through for the rest to come in in their own order as time progresses. The time of the prophets, until there be time be no more, even as Martin testified to. Those who went before us paved the way for the rest to now partake in this unveiling to the next level, for all to come in in their own order.
Those who was, will be, as they died onto the promises that was granted to them, those martyred for Christ and are in wait to be glorified, they are the multitudes before the throne of God, they crossed over to the promise land through death as a martyr; Rev 6:9-11. And those that are, are now unto the same as they have entered in through also overcoming with Jesus. But that which is to be, will be no more when the fullness comes in, as all is walked through from beginning to end, but each in their own order will enter in!!!
Therefore; those who are born from above enter into the Lords Day NOW, as this is where we have Christ formed in us, through Judgment to become His righteousness from within. These Churches and the messages they carry are for our own growth as we too mature as did Jesus through theses Churches as an overcomer.
Again I say; this was Jesus’ walk out unto the Seven Spirits He is of, to also now be unto those who go onto perfection, that are unto the first-fruits to now also partake, as He is ever present to those who have been given to Him, to become Joint heirs with Him in all that He is and has.
When we know who Jesus is, then we can identify with Him unto the fulfillment of the laws and prophets and a SON through the same Spirit His is of, even up to the same seven Spirit’s of God. The unveiling of Jesus Christ is also done within a people who are to become True and Faithful witnesses of Him, in the very same Testimony He is of.
Thank-you Terry, I hope there were at parts written here that you could understand, as most of it came by that unveiling of the Christ within me, to see and to know, even as I am given to see and know; Christ in us the HOPE OF GLORY!!!
“Well shut up for a second ’cause I’m about to tell you what they are!” LOL. I wish I’d known 10 years ago what you’ve been talking about these past few days regarding how to properly interpret the Unveiling (and scripture in general)! It would’ve saved me a lot of frustration and spared me from going down some pretty crazy paths (interpretation-wise). Anyway, I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate you, Martin. Your messages have been a daily blessing and inspiration to me since you started this series, and I thank God for you and your ministry, both past and present. Keep fighting the good fight (I mean, “contending the ideal contest,” haha), and doing what God has so obviously put you on this planet (and in this eon) to do! Your efforts are not in vain, brother.
Sincerely,
Aaron
Peter’s Faithful Friends
Posted on November 23, 2014 by dsheridan
“Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful…rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.”
Scripture records two occasions in Peter’s life where he messed up. On one occasion he denies his Lord, on another he doesn’t live up to the truth of the gospel.
On both occasions he is rebuked.
When he denied the Lord the Lord simply “looked” at Peter. That look was enough to bring Peter to tears. Later the Lord breaks him down even more when He instructs him to feed His sheep.
When Peter didn’t walk according to the truth of the gospel the Apostle Paul confronted him to his face. This was open rebuke. Paul didn’t speak in a “nice” tone. Paul went toe to toe!
These rebukes came from friends.
These rebukes fell on a wise man.
The wise man was corrected.
The wise man loved his friends for it.
Peter said our Lord is PRECIOUS: “To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious…”
Peter said Paul was a BELOVED Brother: “And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you…”
Do you have any Precious and Beloved friends? Or do you only surround yourself with those who “kiss” you all the time?
We will enjoy another cigar together again. I am sure!
love, the Struggler.
Martin; are you O.K.?
You said your internet is down, and your struggling in the bunker this week, and forgive me but you have had the same hair doo for the last 3 days, then you broke down as it is only Thursday to light up that Friday cigar. I used to smoke and I know that smoking helps to alleviate stress, but now it is my Lord that I run to in the stead of all things and others that be of this world.
Martin; don’t take this the wrong way, or to heart as I mean it in a good way, because whatever we go through, it’s for the good for those who love God, even as is written. So here goes; the truth hurts sometimes, but you look like something the cat dragged in; Are you O.K? because to a woman, it is as if the woman you are with is not caring for you as she ought to. O.K. I said it, I want you to see and know Martin that we are a reflection of our circumstances and it does not look good to see you as this. Concerned in a love for my brother, even as siblings do not always agree with each other in the flesh, because only in Christ is there unity.
Love Alexandria:
Alexandria.
You are correct and have discerned the man is in a clinical depression and has been for some tine now which explains all his erratic and strange manic behavior. He needs to take another brake and rest his mind and allow healing to take place. Total rest and relaxation is the only way to let the body heal itself from exhaustion.
Let us all pray for a quick recovery?
May I just add to what he aid;
The “seven angles” or as translated in other translations ‘the seven messengers”of the seven Churches were their individual leaders or ministers. As we now shall proceed to see, John was commanded to write to each of thees individually, and to pass onto them, for their respective Churches or Congregations in Asia [where the “TEN TRIBES ” were scattered together with an enormous amount of the house of Judah which made up” the twelve tribes” that James and Peter wrote to.
Chapters 2 and 3 contain seven letters, addressed to seven literal Churches in Asia, all in existence in John’s day. In addition to their literal messages, however they also wonderfully reflect the subsequent seven-fold development of Church history from John’s time right up to the Second Advent of the Lord Jesus Christ. The first Church mentioned, namely “Ephesus,” [A.D. 30-100 approximately] accordingly portrays the initial power and richness of the early Pentecostal Church as a whole.
David.
David;
Even as is written; For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
Chapters 2 and 3 contain seven letters, addressed to seven literal Churches in Asia, all in existence in John’s day. :IN ADDITION” to their literal messages, however they also wonderfully reflect the subsequent seven-fold development of Church history from John’s time right up to the Second Advent of the Lord Jesus Christ. The first Church mentioned, namely “Ephesus,” [A.D. 30-100 approximately] accordingly portrays the initial power and richness of the early Pentecostal Church as a whole.
I too was given this to see by the Spirit of Christ in me;
We can only see as we are given to see; Thank-you David.
There are just 5 of us in our study group of believers, but we are all wondering what is going on with Martin. He looks unwell, as you say. His delivery is just annoying, to put it in a word. We all long for the insight once offered by the Idle Babbler.
Strelsi.
This may give you the answer to your question.
“we are all wondering what is going on with Martin. He looks unwell, as you say. His delivery is just annoying, to put it in a word. We all long for the insight once offered by the Idle Babbler.”
Bipolar disorder (also known as manic depression) causes serious shifts in mood, energy, thinking, and behavior—from the highs of mania on one extreme, to the lows of depression on the other. More than just a fleeting good or bad mood, the cycles of bipolar disorder last for days, weeks, or months. And unlike ordinary mood swings, the mood changes of bipolar disorder are so intense that they interfere with your ability to function.
During a manic episode, a person might impulsively quit a job, charge up huge amounts on credit cards, or feel rested after sleeping two hours. During a depressive episode, the same person might be too tired to get out of bed, and full of self-loathing and hopelessness over being unemployed and in debt.
The good news is that after three weeks of medication and counselling you will not recognise the person who had the problem before he obtained help. It can be the result of overwork and exhaustion overtaxing the brain!
It is time for the “do-gooders” to get lost and the true friends step up to the mark and provide the correct support and advise. Believe me I know from experience and the loss of my best friend what damage the “do-gooders” can do.
Let us pray for correct action and a quick recovery.
David.
Thanks for the clarity David. Can he get that type of health care in Brazil? I would hope he takes time off to heal and recover. Really, it seems imperative, in light of your explanation. Thanks.
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