Revelation Series #612 Things Of Earth Based On Heavenly Models

by admin on March 3, 2017

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robin March 5, 2017 at 11:37 pm

Speaking of Trump … in such a reverent manner is funny, Martin … oddly funny.
So I’ll refrain, from being “reverent” that is …

Religious encourage us to be reverent, or devout, to have a certain piety …
be good, and God will love you; act religious, in other words. So then, what
does our apostle Paul say about this, specifically … Ummmm?

Well, specifically … if we exclude the three so-called Pastoral epistles … Nothing!
Rather, Paul tells us that God loves us, whether or not we are pious and “good” …

And interestingly enough, the Greek words for “reverence” all appear in these Pastorals,
all except for two (#4573 in Rom 1:25, and #4574 in 2Thess) … and neither of these two
verses talk to this so-called “reverence” as something that real believers participate in …

4573 GK4933 esebasthEsan (~p1~) they had revered V-ADI-3P.5662
4574 GK4934 sebasma (p1/1) to~a~reverence N-ASN.20


2317 GK2537 theosebeian (~p1~) to~a~Godly-reverence N-ASF.12

2150 GK2354 eusebeia (p2/2) a~well-reverence N-NSF.09
2150 GK2354 eusebeias (p2) of~a~well-reverence N-GSF.10

2150 GK2354 eusebeia (1) unto~a~well-reverence N-DSF.11

2150 GK2354 eusebeian (5) to~a~well-reverence N-ASF.12

2151 GK2355 eusebein (p1/1) to~well-revere V-PAN.5721

2153 GK2357 eusebOs (p2) well-reverently ADV

robin March 4, 2017 at 4:58 am

You often mention figures of speech … and … you claim to always answer questions posted to you,
I’d argue that you, really, reply to such questions (there’s been a few posted here, that you’ve obviously ignored), but let’s focus upon figures of speech … that is, let’s look at the Lord’s Supper.

The so-called “concordant people” would have us to understand that the Lord’s Dinner is not applicable to us, today, and yet, I’ve not found a single counter-argument to make much sense.

So then, here’s a summary that makes good sense … figuratively … of this observation, the observation of our understanding of what our Lord did for us, and I am asking you, Martin,
just what your understandings are of this Pauline “mandated” observation of which, really,
means to us, in the Body of Christ?

That is, I’m not asking you to “explain” such trivia, as you enumerated in your recent broadcast, but, rather, something very … basic …something, that the “concordant people” have always pushed to the back-burner. That is, HOW, exactly, does the the Lord’s Dinner apply to us?

In order to handle bread, you simply have to pick up a loaf, but to handle wine, you need a receptacle. Because wine has always required a receptacle, the receptacle—the cup—became a metonym for the wine it contained. So “the cup” simply means “the wine.”

Metonymy is the substitution of the name of an attribute or adjunct for that of the thing meant, “the pen is mightier than the sword” means that the written word is mightier than military force. The “cup of blessing” means “the wine of blessing.”

The cup of wine at the Lord’s Supper stands for the blood of Christ. As cup is a metonym for blood, so also blood is a metonym for death. Blood symbolizes life (Lev. 17:11, 14); blood poured out is death.

In 1 Corinthians 10:16-17, Paul’s use of “cup” also allows him to distinguish singular from plural (not possible with “wine”). The singular cup stands for the once-for-all shedding of the blood of Christ (Hebrews 9:12). The blood of Christ—His death—is the basis of our fellowship. This “cup of blessing” speaks of our shared blessings in the value of the death of Christ.

When we all drink of that one cup [metonymy for wine], we demonstrate our mutual participation in all the benefits that flow from the blood [metonymy for the death] of Christ.

That is … WHY the hesitation for an observance of such a practice …
That the “concordant people” are, rightfully, hesitant, in being participants in any “rituals” …
This is understandable, but that the “concordant people” (you included, Martin) would have us (the Body of Christ) to forsake such an observance … THIS is the question?

Bottom line, Marin, all those silly questions aside … riddle me this one?

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