Revelation Series #606: The Difference Between Sin and Death

by admin on February 23, 2017

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robin February 25, 2017 at 7:39 pm

Here’s an interesting verse … That is, I fully understand that when we die, we are, indeed, dead,
until our rousing; however, this verse (1:23) from Phillippians could make for an interesting counter-argument / discussion?

“* Yet, I be together-held out of~the two: To~the desire holding for’ the [thing] to up-loose, and to be together with~[the]~Anointed, unto~much~a [thing] more, a~most~better-than [thing];” (~robin)

That is, since Paul knows full well that death is going into the unseen, being oblivious, he surely does not intend this to be understood … as it could well be! … that dying is just the immediate instance into our next life. …

So, might he not be, necessarily, talking about death, but rather our anticipated snatching-away to meet with the Lord in the clouds? I mean, look carefully at how he phrases it … “to up-loose” …
We could reason this to mean something along the lines of being loosened from the clutches of death, but when you think about it, “to up-loose” is very positive sounding, not so much a sighing over being raised from the dead, but more so a happy anticipation of our so-called “rapture” …

[Note: The asterisk indicates a variant between the Alexandrian and Byzantine source texts, which involves the addition of the word “gar” (“for”) before “more” …”for more” … my reading, here, goes with the Byzantine and doesn’t include this word. Not that it make a lot of difference, because with our without it, Paul does get a little wordy, here, with his adverb and comparative adjective. But then, that might just be, because he is excited when talking about this … this “to up-loose” …

[Note: Anyone interested in talking with me, in more detail, about Paul’s words to us, the Body of Christ … that is, I’m not so much into doctrine, as I am into the study of Paul’s very words … doctrine comes from that, of course, but just the words, themselves are very interesting. If anyone is, please let me know and I’ll then provide you with my email address …


Συνέχομαι δὲ ἐκ τῶν δύο, τὴν ἐπιθυμίαν ἔχων εἰς τὸ ἀναλῦσαι καὶ σὺν χριστῷ εἶναι, πολλῷ
μᾶλλον κρεῖσσον·

sunechomai de ek tOn duo tEn epithumian echOn eis to analusai kai sun christO einai pollO mallon kreisson

I be together-held {4912 V-PPI-1S} yet {1161 CONJ} out {1537 PREP} of~the [things] {3588 T-GPN} two {1417 A-NUI} to~the [one] {3588 T-ASF} to~a~desire {1939 N-ASF} holding {2192 V-PAP-NSM} for’/ into {1519 PREP} to~the [thing] {3588 T-ASN} to up-loose {0360 V-AAN} and {2532 CONJ} together {4862 PREP} unto~Anointed/ unto~Christ {5547 N-DSM} to be {1510 V-PAN} unto~much~a [thing] {4183 A-DSN} more {3123 ADV} a~most~better-than [thing] {2909 A-NSN-C}

robin February 23, 2017 at 6:34 pm

One of your best sessions, in this series yet, I’m thinking … and I’m glad that you quickly went back and corrected your statement about “being saved by the blood,” to the correct idea of our, “now, having been made-righteous in with~the blood”

Also, I (for one) greatly appreciate it when you point out specific words, such as your clarification of the word “opsOnia” (in Rom 6:23), as being “rations” (#3800; N-NPN) rather than being “wages” …

If you wouldn’t mind, Martin, could you explain, in more detail, the difference between the two words, as Paul uses them?

3800 GK4072 opsOnion (p1/1) to~a~ration N-ASN.20
3800 GK4072 opsOnia (p1/1) rations N-NPN.21
3800 GK4072 opsOniois (p1/1) unto~rations N-DPN.23

3408 GK3635 misthos (2) a~wage N-NSM.01
3408 GK3635 misthou (1) of~a~wage N-GSM.02
3408 GK3635 misthon (3) to~a~wage N-ASM.04

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